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Minggu, 09 April 2017

Barbie Coloring Pages That You Can Print

Barbie Coloring Pages That You Can Print

seven six five four three two one (opening music) (hello my friends, the time of day is here, when everybody paints and forget their fear)

(show you where your art is....) (cinnamon) hi! (laughs) (john)i have lots of buttons today. (cinnamon) john's got a lot of buttons today. i'm cinnamon cooney. i'm your art sherpa. and we have a big art quest today. all about creativity. on the mic is my fabulous husband, john. and he is not only going to be the sherpa tracker today.

but he is going to be a general artist tracker. and he's going to be kind of taking the lead on this fabulous quest. take it over john! (john) oh my gosh! i am so nervous. we have guests with us today! and i have, in addition to, like, it's so funny i have other screens so i can see them all dancing and getting ready on the other screen. i'm excited. so we have three wonderful guests with us today

that are coming in for this art quest. with our wonderful sherpa. to help answer some questions for our audience and we have a whole bunch of our community joining out here in chat today. the room is filling up right now. so, uh, i'll start out and say we have three guests with us today chuck carson angela anderson

and lindsay weirich and, uh, so i'm gonna go ahead, i'm gonna go ahead and pull them up here while i'm introducing everyone just so we don't have to keep them in the back much longer let me see if i can do this there they are! so

up there right at the top you'll see that's lindsay weirich and i'll go, uh, and, uh, well since she's first i'll start with her she's got over 1,200 art and craft videos on youtube uh, she's a published author with numerous articles and established teacher and renowned blogger

lindsay is an expert of navigating the world of art in a modern digital age and you can literally find a video on just about anything you are looking for on her channel. every kind of art and craft video, art supply painting, and even business tips for artists. so, we'll have to give her a little clap. then over there also we have angela anderson you know she has a much loved youtube channel

and she is known for her easy art lessons and, and often taking interesting and surprising tools like credit cards and using them as art, as art tools. she does regular live tutorials and broadcasts here on youtube and her fine art work is represented in galleries and collected by businesses and patrons across the united states.

this was something i didn't know that i thought was really cool is that she was selected for inclusion in the 2009 arkansas artist calendar published by the governor's mansion association and one of her paintings now hangs in the uams winthrop p. rockefeller cancer institute in little rock, arkansas. so i thought that was pretty cool she also teaches classes and workshops there and then, uh, our last guest

over there you can see him, chuck carson, is a good friend of mine he is the animated pencil he is an accomplished and talented senior game professional with over 16 years of experience he and i worked together on many, many game projects. he has worked on wolfenstein 3d

rock band 2 and 3 call of duty 2 and 3 blood rain 1 and 2 blair witch project, fly, monster truck madness 1 and 2 cruise time, doors to adventure and a whole lot of projects that we have in the works as well so, you guys can catch his youtube channel, the animated pencil and he can also be found on instagram.

(cinnamon) we've got everybody i-carded and in the description i hid them in the icard and description (john) ah! and then i need some canned folly to add to some of this like, i am so bad with that today so, (cinnamon) all right, so, it's a creativity quest today and we got the most creative people literally that i know

these are incredibly prolific, creative people who make their living, their life at being artists. (john) well, i'm gonna let today i guess you guys are looking at me to i was going to let you guys start having some chat so i guess i have to lead this today with questions from the group (cinnamon) you do!

(john) i'm all relaxing here going alright i know my job i pushed all the buttons, i introduced everybody! (cinnamon) it's just you today babe! oh man! (cinnamon) you have to ask us some questions and organize the creative... herd some cats, baby. herd some cats. (john) i, now see, this is a whole bunch of crazy that i wasn't expecting now. i have questions for you guys, though.

we actually do. we actually have legitimate questions for you. so, the first question we'll start with is how do you guys deal, and today in the format, just so we know, we're gonna be taking questions from our audience as they come in. and we've got a lot of them that are coming up, and i've already captured some of them down here. so, as you guys in our community have questions, go ahead and put them up in the chat, and i'm gonna ask them. and then i've got a couple (background noise) a couple here from previous... from previous, um, events, that we've recognized,

and i'm gonna go ahead and start asking those questions right away. so, the first one for the group is how do you guys deal- where do you get your ideas from? where do you guys look for inspiration? and how do you pull in- how do you pull from those ideas? and maybe we'll start with chuck, since you're up there first. i see you, chuck. (chuck) so, how do i deal with inspiration? how do i find it? (john) where do you look for inspiration? how do you- where do you find that muse sleeping? (chuck) you know, i see it everywhere. everywhere i go. i mean i go to a lot of antique shops around town, and you know,

with my family, we'll walk around looking at stuff and i always see things that inspire me. you know, movies. being outside. just everything you know, is an inspiration if you look for it correctly. and so, it's just, it's all around me, everywhere. life in general. (john) yeah. (john) yeah, so, you have a very, uh, i really like your art style, it's very, sort of what i would call classic cartoon, you know, feeling to it. and you, know know, what you know, specifically when you're looking for those illustration

you know, things to draw upon, what do you what do you put in your notebook, what things do you capture to bring back to your studio when you're out there in the wild to to bring, translate-(chuck) it's kinda breaking up but i look for you know, obviously i look for cartoon stuff cause that's what i'm really into cartoons, and cars, and stuff like that, so, i kind of go towards, you know, the cartoons from the forties and fifties and sixties and seventies that i watched growing up

i always see things like that, and it inspires me. artists inspire me. tons of them. i look at, uh, you know, i used to, when i was a kid, i would get mad magazine and i would draw every single page. whether i like it or not, i would draw it just to see if i could. and i do that all the time, even now, just to see how i've progressed, you know. like, -teen years ago i couldn't draw fred flintstone, and now i draw him really well, so (cinnamon) you have a really good video on fred.(chuck) i go back and forth all the time. (john) cool. what about the rest of you guys? you wanna add to that?

(cinnamon) have lindsay?(john) yeah. (cinnamon) lindsay!(lindsay) hello everybody! well, i'm very inspired by color, and, um, i tend to be inspired- i live in maine, so it's very gorgeous as far as the four seasons. you have the gorgeous fiery trees in the fall. you have beautiful sunsets in the winter. you have gorgeous summer scenes everywhere, so that's very inspiring. i'm also very inspired by product, and since i skew a little bit more towards the craft industry more than the fine art industry, there's always products being cranked out. and part of my job is showcasing those products for different advertisers.

but i'm very inspired by what companies are coming out with. i'm very inspired by trends that are in like fashion design and colors. the color combinations that are trending. i find all that incredibly inspiring because i work in different mediums from painting but also jewelry, card making, stamping, um, you know, knitting, crochet, since i get to draw from all those different different genre's i get kind of texture from some from like the knitting and the sewing, and then i get color from the painting, and

i pull from everything. i'm inspired by everything. i keep a notebook because i'll forget ideas faster than i come up with them. um...that's kind of what inspires me, i guess. (cinnamon) that's cool! angela? (angela) i'm pretty much the same. i try to keep my eyes open wherever i go and just, um, nature. i've done lots of paintings off of things that i've, you know, photographs that i've taken, out on walks, or just, um, i also like to kind of visit art museums and just see, um,

the kind of things that i like there, and those really inspire me. i like to get up close and kind of figure out how they did the, you know, see what colors they used underneath and, you know, i don't know. really dig deep and um, figure out how my favorite paintings were done and then kind of try to use that in my art. yeah. but i definitely just kind of keep my eyes open at all times and,

and i like to kind of also have a challenge. you know. so sometimes it's- it's nice to have like a well, like when we do themed events and things like that. that really sparks my creativity a lot. (cinnamon) i get that. me too. (angela) yeah. (cinnamon) for me, i have what i like to call a combo of art dna. i always refer to it as my art dna. which is, when i was coming up as a creative person, as a kid, it was during the southwest art movement.

so i was excited by artists like d'arcy gorman, and lolita concho and pena. and o'kieffe. and all of that kind of horse, southwest, those colors. and then now as i create, i'm always looking at things like pinterest and etsy for like, what's trending, what's interesting. but i will see elements of that dna seep into everything that i do. i've noticed it is never actually completely exited, so i always like to think it's like, what i imprinted on as a kid, and i think i heard some of that from chuck. you know, but modernized by what i'm seeing now, what i'm

excited about now. like you know you'll see colors that are everywhere, designs that are everywhere, and then you think to yourself well, what could i add to that conversation?(john) mm-hmm. (cinnamon) that these artists are having and how would i add it, and then you know, you see that happening. so, that's what it is for me. (john) well, i have to say, everyone out here is giving me a little bit of a hard time because i didn't give you a very good intro. (cinnamon) oh, pffft. you all know who i am. i'm sherpa.

(john) you're tuned in here. you know who the sherpa is. she's the crazy lady with the hats who likes to talk a lot and paint some paintings, and occasionally go on rants about how, how we are all worthy of being able to paint. (cinnamon) yeah. that pretty much sums it up.(john) yeah. so, you know who we are. and i'm the guy who pushes the buttons and forgets to do all the stuff in the right order, so, it should be no surprise that this is not quite going according to schedule. (cinnamon) i wrote down a plan, just to...

(john) you did. i have notes. and the notes, i didn't follow them well. (cinnamon) but there were notes. i'm just saying, owning on this one, i gave notes. (john) but i pushed most of the buttons properly. (cinnamon) other than that weird little pop in.(john) shh! (cinnamon) so, do we have another question for our fanciful artists? (john) we do.they want me to get straight to some, like, some game questions but they're- you know, we have a hundred and eighty seven people in here cheering on the questions right now. so, everyone's really excited to see this going on right now.(cinnamon) oh, wow!

(john) it just keeps going and going.(cinnamon) wow. thursday at eleven a.m. (john) i know.(cinnamon) thank you for showing up. (john) so, yeah. so what i'm gonna do is, i'm gonna ask you guys the next question and then i'm gonna go on. i got some others that are gathering here in chat. (cinnamon) ok. (john) we're gonna start with, and i'll throw this out to the group, then, and let you sort this through to everyone. it's, how do you deal with artist block? (cinnamon) ooh. i'm gonna throw this one out to angela first.

my buddy, angela. how do you deal with artist block? (angela) well, i mean, i did think about this, because you told me this was gonna be one of the questions, and i thought about some of the times that i've kind of not been either like burned out, or just kind of tired of what i've been doing in the past, and one of the things that really sparks me to, um, do something is get, is to learn something new.

that's kind of what i've done in the past. so, kind of push through um, and just learn something new. i kind of went through this a few years ago in my fine art business and i was kind of done with what i had been doing and i wanted something new so i learned a little bit of mixed media, and i started using that in my art, and that just, like, the creativity went wild after that, you know, so, and i'm... that really helped me a lot to kind of push through that block that i was having. it's just kind of learn something new. get some new excitement in there, you know.

(cinnamon) i agree with that. (angela) yeah. (cinnamon) that's really good. lindsay, do you ever- i mean, i can't even imagine lindsay gets artist block, but. (laughs) (cinnamon) if you did, how would you deal with it? (lindsay) yeah. i don't have time for artist's block, quite frankly. um, i keep a to-do list about a mile long, and i keep a calendar, and i'm constantly feeding things from the to-do list into the calendar. um, and honestly, i don't have time,

to get blocked. i've gotta, kind of push through, if i'm not feeling it i still push through cause you'll eventually get there. you gotta fake it til you make it, they say. and with art, it's no different. you gotta just keep pushing until until a spark happens. no muze is gonna flutter down and sprinkle you with their magic painting juice. you have to- it's gonna find you at the easel. you know, you've gotta get up, you've gotta put your smock on whether you feel like it or not, and you've gotta paint. and, uh, and that's- it'll find you. you may make a lot of junk

but it'll eventually, you'll eventually, get there. so, you just gotta do it. you just gotta push yourself. (cinnamon) so, i think nike needs to sponsor (laughs) lindsay now. (lindsay) just do it! (cinnamon) just do it with lindsay. chuck, you're kinda probably in the don't have time for artists block camp, but if you were to have it, how would you deal with it. i don't know if chuck- chuck is

on a delay, or... he's always just staring off into space. all i can tell you is chuck is one of the happiest, most prolific artists i know. john is gonna text him. (john) i'll see if we may have- (cinnamon) alright. i'll answer it while chuck is catching up to us. (chuck) i can't hear you. (cinnamon) oh. ok. you can't hear me? (chuck) well, it breaks up when you're on your...

(cinnamon) artists block, how do you deal with it? (chuck) well, there's a couple things that i do. first, if i get something, like a new pencil, or a new pad of paper, even if i don't need it, i go buy a new one, and that always, for some reason, inspires me. and, you know, just- i, similar to lindsay, i have to push myself. i don't have time to not create.

so, what i'll do is, i'll have two or three projects at the same time. that i'm dealing with. that i'm working, i go back and forth. but sometimes all i need to do is rest. and, sometimes i'll dream about it and i'll fix a problem in the middle of the night. while i'm sleeping, i'll jump up and fix it the next day, but it's- it's so many things, i just don't have time to be blocked. so i have to push myself

i'm used to drawing all night. and i'm so used to that and that's when i'm most creative, is in the middle of the night. (cinnamon) so, i think our take-away is, for the people at home is, that influx of new media, like angela's talking about getting, learning a new thing. chuck's talking about bringing in a new thing. um, i'm kind of in the having to produce, so there's that expectation. i have an expectation of myself to produce. i have a rhythm that i've come to recognize. i did a daily painting for a while.

i may get back and do one of these again cause i think it's so viable for artists. and i found like every tenth painting or so sucked. it was just terrible. there was just nothing i could do to save it. i was like i would go along, paint, paint, paint terrible painting! it just wouldn't come together, but the painting after that painting right, which is kind of what lindsay was saying, which is the inspirations at the easel. the painting after that painting would be great. (john) oh yeah.

(cinnamon) and i've just kind of gotten ok with the fact that every once in awhile- not everything i'm gonna do is gonna be great. i just have to keep doing it. so i think that persistence- i think our take-away at home is you know, get some new inspiration in and put, you know, if you have an expectation of yourself, to create, that helps. and be ok with the fact that there's a rhythm like some things are gonna be really awesome and some things you're gonna put in the closet to gesso later.

( john) yeah (lindsay) and you have to paint. you can't, um, you can't just watch videos and read books. you have to actually paint in order to get better and in order for creativity to find you. creativity's not gonna find you sitting around reading a magazine or um, reading a book, or you know, watching a video. you might get a spark. but you have to do something with it. you have to take action and actually paint that's the only way you're gonna learn how to paint.

you can watch videos all day long, but you have to paint if you wanna, you know, be creative and be inspired. if you want it to stay. (cinnamon) i agree. alright. john, do we have another question or one from the group? what do we got? (john) i do i have lots of questions. well, i wanted to start by saying we are- the crowd just keeps growing and growing and we have two hundred community members who are out here, all just- and it's been really really nice.

and as our community members, i'd like to encourage all of them to go out there to the frugal crafter, to angela anderson, and chuck carson's youtube page. subscribe. give them some thumbs up and leave a comment on their page to thank them for coming out here and joining us today. and seeing you guys. we really appreciate them joining. so go out there and share some with them. it really helps them out. and of course we always appreciate your thumbs up and likes and shares here, too, so thank you guys. now

we have, uh, we have another question here, so. and this is are you guys ever afraid that you're gonna mess up? in these artventures? and what do you do to deal with the fear of of that. of messing something up, you know, when you're doing all these important things. when you're going out on youtube events or, you're creating these important artworks. how do you deal with that stress? (cinnamon) you wanna have chuck go first? (john) i'll let- i'm gonna post that to you and let you handle that, who we talk to.

(cinnamon) me? (john) who do we talk to? you handle that. (cinnamon) ok. chuck, you wanna go and answer that? how do you handle the fear of messing up? (chuck) well, i mess up all the time, so i'm not scared anymore, but when i first started doing drawings, i only drew with a pen. i would not draw with a pencil. cause when i was a kid, the pencils i had access to were the very hard lead, and very hard to see. so i spent the first

you know, all through high school drawing with a pen, so i learned very quickly that if i messed up to me then i would just add it to the illustration and you know, i knew it was messed up but other people didn't, you know, so now-a-days when i mess up, and i do it all the time. it never looks like you want it to look. ever. for me, anyway. and so

i just don't worry about it. i kinda know my style and what i wanna do now-a-days, so i just kinda move forward with it, cover it up somehow or start over. you know, i don't- it's not something i'm afraid of. but it's something that happens regularly, you know. (cinnamon) i do, i get that. i, um, i'll answer it next. um.... when i was young

i had- you know how you have your group of friends, you have your group of art friends and a lot of my friends were really talented. what people would call talented early. um, which was really that they just they worked very very hard at what they did. but many of them were very competitive. there was this, um, era in my art experience that was highly competitive and there was sort of a succeed-fail thing and you were always having to come and show out with your piece,

and i used to really really, at that time have a lot of anxiety about messing up. about not nailing a perspective or not being able to express a technique. showing it to my group of friends and, you know, getting negativity back, and there's always kind of a little bit of that in some area's of the art world. as i started to work more professionally, i think, actually, getting into the advertising arts, and having an art agent was fantastic because i stopped getting the negative blow back i started surrounding myself with people

who weren't competitive with me which was fantastic. and then when i started to fail i could fail then in a safe space, and i learned that failing was just actually the step to me figuring out a technique. like, that the failure is so valuable, and i think that was the biggest bloom in my art experience is when i started realizing that failure wasn't an opportunity for people to mock me,

but was an opportunity for me to unlock a new technique, or see a new thing in my art and it was actually beneficial to me. i don't know, it's like the ben franklin effect, is what i started to refer to it as. that i stopped fearing it and i started really loving it. like, oh wow, i really suck at this! and i'm blowing it, but in the process of just pushing through and blowing it, it would start to click to me how i could do it. and once i was able to drop that fear i started really

pulling in technique after technique. angela, do you ever have that experience where you're afraid of failing? (angela) yeah, if you ever watched any of my videos, i mess up all the time. [laughs] i drop paint on things and yeah, i'm um, yeah. i kind of made it part of my process, when i, you know, when i paint, i've gotten into the habit of just not really sketching out very clearly, and i just kind of work through and and change my, uh, you know, composition as i go.

and just kind of let the mistakes become part of the process for me and it really, it helps relieve all the fear, you know, but i'm with you on, you know, you kinda have to know how to fix your problems so that's like why when i do my videos, um, i'm almost glad when i have a mistake, because then i can show people how to fix it. (cinnamon) yeah. (angela) so. (cinnamon) lindsay? (lindsay) i think mistakes are a gift. i think that when people see

you make a mistake, you're much more relatable to them. and if one of us, who has experience, makes a mistake, chances are, anybody that we're teaching is also making that mistake, so it's a teachable moment. and the only time i get that little shred of fear is not when i'm doing a video or a live show, it's if i'm in a class, and i've got like twenty students doing a workshop. just because, um, you know, you've got a limited time. it's not like you can teach them for four hours if you need to. you've got like an hour and a half and you've got to

pack them up and get the next group in. but even then it's like, you know, if i show a technique and it doesn't come out the way it's supposed to i could say this is what happens when there's not enough water on the stamp or there's not enough water on your brush or there's too much water on your brush. so you kind of spin it like you intended to do that, and you're actually teaching them what to do in case it happens to them. i remember doing a workshop last summer at a big convention and my assistant saw me totally botch something and she [laughs] under her breath she says, "how you gonna spin that one linsday?"

[laughs] and i did. i mean, like, this is what happens when you don't have enough paint on your stamp, and it's gonna do this, so to correct that what we're gonna do, and i just figured out how to correct it. it's a gift. i mean, you're gonna grow more. if you do everything right the first time then you're not gonna learn anything and then when you do come across an obstacle, you're not gonna know how to fix it. you're gonna be shaken by it. and you're not gonna be able to overcome it, so by constantly trying things you're gonna constantly make mistakes, but you're gonna be constantly learning,

and developing your own style, and your own techniques that'll make your work different than the artist next to you, so i have no fear on mistakes and i know i'm gonna make them. it will provide a little comic relief in my videos, and it'll make us all better artists, cause we'll see what not to do. (cinnamon) oh, we'll drop the mic on that one. [laughs) what's next, mr. cooney? (john) indeed.

so, man we have- again, i'd like to thank all of our community. it just keeps growing and growing out here. we've got a lot of moderators who are doing a great job of trying to make sure that everybody's questions are handled, and we've got everything going. and there's a lot of questions coming up here for individuals and i'm gonna try to make sure we copy and forward those on to everybody so that chuck and lindsay and angela can get to some of those very specific questions that we having coming up. (cinnamon) you want to ask them any of them? (john) well, we have some that are-(cinnamon) i would love to. (john) we have some that are very much group oriented that we wanted to get to

(cinnamon) ok.(john) and i'm trying to keep an eye on time because we have limited and we got some games coming up that we want to get to. (cinnamon) well, yeah. we can game but we can also skip it if there's pressing questions. (john) well, no, there's some good questions coming up here. one of the overwhelming ones is how to deal with originality and creativity. you know, so how is it you can all- how do you go to the well of originality when being creative? so, you wanna talk a bit about that? (cinnamon) i would love to.

(john) why don't you pass that question around? (cinnamon) alright. i will pitch this one first. so everyone did one first. on originality, i have- this is my big soap box. so, there's a reality um, in art, which is that you are influenced by everything you see and everyone you're looking at and it's an unrealistic goal to say that you're gonna invent something entirely new. it does happen

but that process of- because there's a difference between being original, and having what we like to call voice. right. so originality means like, i've gone in and i'm creating something and i'm making due diligence to make sure that i'm adding something new to the conversation. i ask myself that as an artist, right. like if i'm creating something, like the eiffel tower, there's really only five views of the eiffel tower it ever gets photographed from. as artists, we're only gonna be working from one of those five views, if the eiffel tower is really hot as a subject matter

it's challenging then to like, do something that's like completely fresh but i do try to make sure, am i telling a story that doesn't pull too much from somebody else's painting, and is somewhat adding to the conversation artistically about how i feel about the eiffel tower. am i putting it through my own filter? or am i just regurgitating what somebody else does? whereas voice is something like um, where you see somebody like chuck close or somebody. nobody on planet earth paints like them, and voice is a whole different process.

so i think sometimes as artists we confuse having artistic voice. which is a completely unique way of creating art. andy goldsworthy, completely unique way of creating art versus i'm creating original, fresh product that's not a copy of somebody else. that's my soapbox. so... (john) soapbox away. (cinnamon) i'm gonna say lindsay! [laughs]

(lindsay) you know what, i was paying attention to the chat. [laughs] i think, the question to be, how do you find your own your own originality? (john) the uniqueness in the originality cause it's so easy to create something that can be derivative right now, cause there's so many creative people in the market. how do you find your own originality? (lindsay) um, i think you have to, um, approach whatever you're making with your own personality and it could be through your color choices,

through your texture choices, through the medium that you're using. something i tend to do a lot on my paintings, i tend to work with really bright colors, but only a few and mix my colors, and splatter on paint. i don't like it to be too crisp and pristine, i like to have soft edges and messy bits. and then sometimes add some mixed media to it. so i think as long as you do what you feel is true to you you're gonna paint like you. it's like when you paint a portrait of somebody else, it's always a self portrait. you're always putting in- i have a very hard time painting um, you know, people that are not...

i did a portrait of a thai dancer and it was so hard for me to paint that ethnicity when it's like i almost want to give you know, the person larger eyes, or you know, more pronounced features that are much more caucasian cause i'm used to, you know, you see yourself in the mirror everyday. i think every portrait's a self portrait, every painting' is kind of a self portrait, cause you're telling your story. my life experiences are different than everybody else's life experiences

and i think if you paint the way you feel you should be painting, and you're not trying to copy somebody or follow somebody else's style, you'll have that originality, um, intrinsically, but there's a lot of copying you have to do until you have the visual vocabulary to paint your own style. so i don't think you should be worrying about being original right off the bat. trace a picture if you want to. copy a painting if you want to. learn by copying because then you'll build your vocabulary so that you can write your own story. it's the same thing, except we learn how to write when we're in

kindergarten. we learn how to read when we're in kindergarten. and we keep practicing and practicing and practicing so we can then write as we get older, but very few people learn to draw and keep practicing, practicing, practicing. it's just like anything else. it's just like driving a car. you have to learn how to do it. it's a skill. and then you'll be able to use your own voice once you've mastered kind of the baseline, and you've learned from the other masters, then you can go forth with your own voice. (cinnamon) brilliant. i love it. yeah, it's not like they asked us to invent a language so we could learn to write, but they ask artists to invent

"art" [chuckles] like, from birth, invent it! from scratch. we're not gonna show you anything! chuck. you have this issue, i know, in the gaming industry. i don't know if you can hear me. um, because you have to, you know, create the entire look of a game, and you've gotta create something you know, especially if you're a lead that looks different than everything else out there. how do you handle in the limitations of being a video game artist and as an artist in general, how do you handle originality? we may have to type questions to chuck. (john) i'm not sure...

(chuck) are you asking me a question?(cinnamon) yeah. yes we are chuck! about being original. (chuck) well, to be original, obviously what happens for me, for example, is i spent my whole entire life drawing illustrations of other people's characters, so when i created my own characters it was a, uh, i had to find my own style. and once i did that

it opened up- even when i'm drawing like, you know, i do the fred flintstone stuff and it looks like fred flintstone. if i drew it in the style that i like to draw, it wouldn't look like fred flintstone. but it still looks pretty good. it's just that no one would recognize it. so what i do is i find things and i look at all sorts of reference and i draw things that i like. but i draw it in the way i want to see it. like, if i see, um,

you know, fred flintstone for example, i create my own set of characters in that time frame. they don't look nothing like fred and barney, but they do look pretty good, and uh, so, for me, it's just basically anytime i see art that i like, i try to mimic it. i try to first create it like it looks. just so for myself, to know i can draw

cause sometimes people are like yeah, you can draw your own stuff pretty good, but can you draw somebody else's stuff? i'm not sure why that is, but everytime i draw something for people, they're like, you're pretty good. can you draw snoopy? [laughs] ok. (cinnamon) i think that's the gaming industry (chuck) basically huh?

(cinnamon) i think that's the gaming industry, too. (chuck) so, i get a lot of that. (john) well, there was an interesting question that came up that sort of relates to that. and i wanted to see, skye was asking, if you're painting or drawing or creating something that already exists, right. um, but you're making it your own creatively is that stealing or copying (john) or is that original? i'll let you repeat that sentiment.

(cinnamon) i will. and i'm actually gonna punch that over to angela , and let's put angela in the hot seat. (john) ok. (cinnamon) but that's something that, you know, she and i would have to deal with as youtubers a lot. and, so you want to take that angela? (angela) so the question is how do you take something and make it your own? (cinnamon) yeah, so you're taking somebody else's painting, you want to make it your own is that- when is that copying, and when does that stop being copying? (angela) well, i mean, if you're trying to represent it exactly as it was painted, then that's copying. um, if you're taking the

maybe the color scheme and doing your own thing with it, or you're taking the subject matter and you're doing your own thing with it, or you're you know, there's ways of, of using an inspiration, but you're changing it and making it your own by, you know, either changing the color subject or, you know, something like that. and that's where, you know, i've done that in a couple of my video's where i've taken inspiration from actual artworks and done a little

kid version of it, you know, something that i taught my kid's class, you know, so that they could kind of feel proud of doing something that was a, you know, real art work. um, and, yeah, so in those cases i've used things like, you know, instead of a paint brush, we'll use a q-tip, or i don't know, you know, there's just ways of kind of making it, uh, your own.

(cinnamon) i think (angela) did i answer that right? i don't know. (cinnamon) yeah, i feel like you did. i think fan art, cause we just did that fan art piece for the disney princess's (cinnamon) cause you have to look into this. so, fair use is an interesting thing cause it talks about when it is fair use. in other words i'm taking moana, or cinderella or some character which is owned by disney but i as a fine artist, because this is an iconic image, want to revisit that. maybe in a creative way.

i then start dipping my toe into something they like to call fair use. and what they're generally looking for is, is the work transformative? right. like, am i visiting that in a way that creates a transformative discussion about it, and fan artists, like a lot of the copy markered artists that you're seeing out there, a lot of the fan artists at the comic conventions, they have to walk that line, cause they're painting harley quinn. but they're always trying to paint harley quinn in a way that's fresh. they're trying to say something new about her.

and it's an interesting kind of sticky territory because you know you're always sort of up to how the intellectual property holder protects their rights, right. so like, mckey is pretty protected so you gotta be way in the fine art category to be making some really, kind of cultural, interesting statements. or barbie. way back, i don't know if you guys remember the artist that did all the stuff on barbie and the mattel company wasn't happy about it but the work was deemed fair use because what the artist did was considered so transformative

and it created an elevated conversation on the topic and related to that. (john) mm-hmm. (cinnamon) so, if you kind of, even at any level when you're looking at an artist and you're inspired by what they did and you want to put your own voice into it, um, i know like, i love lawson i can't afford a lawson to save [chuckles] you know what i mean. i can't even afford one square inch of a lawson painting but i love the idea of animals below the water and above. i might take his idea and then process it through my filter. paint a

painting for my own use right. and it's not gonna be necessarily like an exact his three whales here and stuff like that but definitely i'm inspired by him as soon as i stick the whales under the water and have the space scene above and have some little surfer out there with a sunset. (john) you're-(cinnamon) yeah. (john) you're in his wheelhouse. (cinnamon) i'm in his wheelhouse, but maybe i don't copy his exact image. (john) right.

(cinnamon) right. so, it's that interesting thing, you know, how we as artists, um, everyone likes to quote steal like an artist, but that's sort of what we do as artists, i think. (john) so, it's very interesting to say, you know, one thing is sort of you transform something versus you, you know, if, verus, revisit something. (cinnamon) yeah. like we definitely just replicated (laughs) la belle dam merci and the kiss. those are just replicas.

and i would never put my name at the bottom and like, yeah, scratch out dicksee, put my name there. that's defintely about replicating a dicksee and learning as a student about that type of artwork. (john) but even in that, you did a huge transformation with that, you had a different color palette. (cinnamon) but that wouldn't even be considered transformative. i would consider it transformative if i went back to that painting and i said, no this is a glitter boy. let's take this to warcraft or something. and i'm gonna change this up, and he's a cyber knight. right. and she's a magic user and i

transform the landscape and it's definitely still based in that dicksee painting but i put it through my geek filter.(john) and even then it's a parody. (cinnamon) because it's parody, so it's covered under fair use. i have then done a transformative parody and i'm covered under fair use and that's kind of, like, that's sort of what we're always trying to do as artists is like, i mash up all the time. i'm trying to push it through my geek filter. (john) huh. (cinnamon) right. i don't know. lindsay, how do you handle that?

(lindsay) well, i won't touch fan art with a ten foot pole because, i-it's derivative work and as much as i'd love to, you know, paint a tardis i'm still in the wrong, if there's ever anything that ever comes up, there's no way that would have come out of me without being a dr who fan, just like i'm not gonna do a how to draw olaf from frozen video because i'm in the wrong. if disney wants to say hey (cinnamon) chuck and i have both done a tardis (lindsay) if i'm taking the money from that video, i'm in the wrong. (lindsay) so i think it depends on intent. if you are using, like,

i used to work doing commercial illustration and there would always be um, the illustrators, they would say, ok, frozen's really popular. do something like frozen, so make these characters that are obviously derivative of these other characters and hope you don't get caught. they were always like star wars inspired you know, clip arts, and even though they were done really cutesy, these big eyed, you know, adorable little characters, they're still derivative and these artists that are doing this, they're still in the wrong because, you know, first of all you're just making them in these, in these, um, to look like these famous characters so you can sell clip art,

and so other companies can do these party packs with them and whatnot. they're, we're in the wrong if we do that, you know, so i'm kind of like a stickler for copyright, because i know that, um, that's people's rights should be protected and so that's why i don't kind of go for it, but copying like a famous artist like a... there's obviously no confusion there that the paintings you and angela did, everybody knows them. there's no confusion there.

they know that you're doing that as a teaching, or as an educational um, thing, and education is covered under copyright fair use. (cinnamon) mm-hmm. (lindsay) so as long as there's no confusion there and you're not making money off of it, which i think actually you could sell them and make money because those are in the public domain by now. (cinnamon) yeah.(lindsay) um... you know, i think there's a right way to do it. you did it the right way. i think me showing people how to draw yoda would be the wrong.

it would be the wrong thing to so. it's not my design. it's not my- i don't own that picture, i didn't i didn't devize him, and it's new enough that legally i have no right to do it, so i see all these people doing like how to draw elsa, how to draw this, it's like, how are you guys not getting shut down or not getting all your money taken away (cinnamon) well...(lindsay) by disney, because if i was disney i'd be like you're done! (cinnamon) so here's how they would look at this. cause actually i have some friends over in this area. um, so marvel

has an actual internal corporate policy, that they look at when they're- say they're on the comic con floor right and they're looking at fan artists, and they actually have a percentage policy that they look at before they decide that a fan artist is encroaching on their property. star wars does that too. lucas has a much more defined one, like, um, i did a sugar skull storm trooper. right. now, yes, if lucas is like

even if i could sit there and take that all the way to supreme court and go fair use lucas, (john) if anybody comes by and is like, you know, hey. (cinnamon) i not even gonna- i'm gonna be like, mr. lucas, i'm just taking it down. [john laughs] i'm not even making money on it. but here's what i would not do. i would not make prints.(john) no. (cinnamon) i would not make reproductions. you wouldn't see my stuff on a t-shirt. (john) certainly wouldn't claim it. (cinnamon) yeah. i definitely am gonna be way far in the...

and here's the thing. lindsay brings up a good point. fair use only protects you per judge. so you've gotta be able to go to court. right. you've gotta be able to take your lawyers and go to court and have the discussion and you are literally judge by judge, because the language on that law is loose. (john) but companies like blizzard also have a really, really generous fair, you know, fan art policy. (cinnamon) you can always go to a company. when we went to disney, we wrote them and talked about the project, the big-eyed project. you can always go to a company and contact them if you're gonna be using their ip um, if i'm gonna work with- if i'm gonna use a famous photographer's artwork,

i am absolutely, a hundred percent of the time going to talk to them and get their permission. a hundred percent of the time, to use what they've got, or i'm gonna use paint my photo. it's why i was so excited when lindsay shared that. and that's just something you have to think about that cause, like, chuck has done an olaf and i've done a tardis, and we have those how to paint that videos, but we aren't creating confusion

in the market, and there is an absolute provision under fair use for teaching in a not for profit capacity, or for educational purposes. but that law is a u.s. based law.(john) mm-hmm (cinnamon) so understand like, sometimes our copyright laws do not apply in india, at all. or in other countries. or in china. they have their own laws and they might not recognize our property laws.

that's something i think artists sometimes don't understand is like this is for u.s. court systems only. so, but lindsay's right. her side is john: you gotta- the very safest, and if i- frankly, you guys, if mr. lucas wrote me and told me to take it down, i'd be so excited. [laughs] (john) everybody out here is really, yeah.(cinnamon) i wouldn't even be upset. i'd be woohooo! [laughing] i got a letter from george lucas. (lindsay) what a bummer it would be, though, to like, if that how to draw olaf video

got like a million views and then it's bringing you in thousands of dollars on adsense, and then to have, you know, disney say, "uh uh uh, we're, you know, we're gonna claim that," and we'll just takes those rights(cinnamon) it happens. (lindsay) and that will be ours and they have full right to do that, so or if, like, you get noticed and somebody wants to publish something you've done in a book or a magazine and you can't (cinnamon) oh, you can't.(lindsay) because it's not a (?) thing. i mean that would be such a bummer to, uh

to get noticed and then not be able to, not be able to use your work because of that. (cinnamon) and fan art's hard.(lindsay) you know, i'm square, and there are hundreds of people, probably thousands of people, doing, you know, i'll be drawing up these characters and you know, that's fine, but personally, for me, um, that's one of those keep me up at night type you know, copyright worries.(cinnamon) well, and you wouldn't be able to take it anywhere and monetize it in any way. it doesn't belong to you. and i mean, like, girlfriend, i'll tell you right now, i could do a rocky horror picture show big set of red lips.

it could happen. it might come out of me. i might geek out. it might happen. but, i can't take those anywhere and sell them.(john) yeah, we can't do anything like that. (cinnamon) they just exist in this sort of weird, nebulous universe of just here for fun and has no business opportunities. and it is risky, and there's a really good four hour lecture on this from the marvel guys, where they're just like, they're kinda like, yeah, we put up with you, but we could come crush you anytime we feel like it. but we don't!(lindsay) absolutely! (cinnamon) but we could.

(lindsay) same thing with music. using music in our videos, i mean i am such a stickler for the, you know, the licenses and the music that i use, because and making sure that i have it, at the point that i downloaded it, and i have backups so nobody can say, "well i changed my mind, that's not gonna be," you know. (john) yep.(lindsay) you know you're at their mercy, anytime you're using content that's not 100% yours, you're at the mercy of the, uh, whoever you're getting- deriving it from. so, you all need to be aware of that, if you want to do it professionally. if you're just painting to learn for your own enjoyment, for something to hang over the couch, i

mean, do what you want to do. that's fine. but the minute you think you might want to make prints, or make some money on that, then you've gotta be really- you've gotta be really aware. (cinnamon) or show it in a gallery. or sell it. (john) yeah.(cinnamon) yeah. you really really- you're now in that. (john) well, our community has jumped up here. we have over 240 people out here. (cinnamon) they're like, woohoo! [laughs) (john) and a lot of them- i have to say thank you to lindsay. there's been a lot of people really

appreciating your comments, and angela, you guys, chuck. this last round here, there's been a lot of questions about how to find that inspiration. where the line is there. so i think that all of these voices have really helped. there's been a lot of dialog about that. (cinnamon) and it's a dialog, i think, as artists we could have more. like literally we could have a panel of 20 artists and talk about copyright and fair use and when,

when you're you know, like, you know where you are with that, because um, you just, you gotta remember dean koontz got sued. dean koontz got sued. and lost. cause he was- he was using that, well, i've transformed it 30%. that's not a real rule. (john laughs)(cinnamon) just so y'all know. changing three things, (all laugh) 30%, that's a made up rule. that's like the urban myth of art.

(john) yeah.(cinnamon) you can not take that guys photograph cast it in bronze, and say, i transformed it. (john) no, if they still- if you look at something... if you can still identify garfield as garfield, it's garfield. (cinnamon) yeah.(john) it doesn't matter if he's in front of spaghetti or you take his stripes out, or paint him purple, if it's garfield, it's garfield. yeah. people were like, you know, if it looks like, if anyone- if the jury or the judge thinks it looks like garfield,

um, i think the last supreme court justice ruled on it said it's like pornography. you know it when you see it. anytime they do something, like you know it when you see it, you know you're down to a judge by judge, jury by jury. and if they look at it and they recognize it and they think that it's, you know, and ooh, if the artist copyrighted it, which you gotta believe that marvel, disney, and all these places do, then damages can occur against you. like they can get legal fees. they can get,

um, all kinds of expanded fees. which if, lindsay was in illustration, she's highly aware of. (laughs) (john) copyright your work.(cinnamon) copyright your work. actually i have, i'm getting into the copyright thing right now, trying to figure out if i'm gonna batch or individual or how i'm gonna do that. (john) hmm.(cinnamon) so, it's a- (lindsay) yeah, you should with all the people ripping you off and (?) (angela) yeah, definitely. (lindsay) get some protection there.

(cinnamon) i gotta do a video where i google myself. it's highly entertaining. (all laughing) (cinnamon) not like cupquakes, though. it's like- i love when people are like, completely original, one of a kind art, and then it's all my stuff. [all laugh] (john) that's ok. (cinnamon) [laughing] it's like, what!? but now, ok so, like, just to be clear to my community, and i'm sure lindsay might want to say this to her's, and angela.

i have a use policy on my community that allows you guys to paint the works that we do here for personal use, right, and i personally, if you got a friend that wants to buy, um, a painting, woohoo! (john) yeah. (cinnamon) friends or family. definitely buy a painting. i'm ok with that. uh, if you're showing in a public space or online in some way, we ask for attribution.

right. and then we have a no commercial use, which is what lindsay was referring to, without a license. you'd have to get a license from me. for a commercial venture. but as teachers we have use policies and unless you see a creative commons license on a youtube video, you may want to check different youtubers use policies before going bananas with their stuff. even though they're teaching it on youtube, it doesn't necessarily mean it's open domain for somebody to just (john) no, not at all.(cinnamon) do whatever. so if lindsay wants to...

i know you have a use policy, and angela has a use policy. (lindsay) yeah, my use policy is pretty liberal. um, i let people, my only restriction is publication. i ask that they don't publish it, because i also send my work to magazines and get them published. but if they want to teach it in a class, if they want to sell it in a craft fair, i'm fine with that. cause i know people are gonna do it anyway, so might as well grant some permissions [all laugh]you know, i just want to be the first rights on publishing, because it's mine. it's my work. i mean, i've seen people, though, what i don't like,

i've seen people take my thumbnails and put them in their shop, saying original painting by this, and i'm like, my signature is on that! for goodness sakes. it's not even size that i painted it in. and so you have to like, you know, usually send them a cease and desist and i've never had a problem with people removing them, but do a reverse image search sometimes on your paintings. that's, that's very telling, you find some very- and then sometimes i just find some stuff that people have painted from my tutorials, and that's a real kick to see. i love seeing that. (cinnamon) yeah, i like seeing that, or blogs about it or whatever, where somebody's

talking, that's cool. angela, what's your use policy? (angela) yeah, mine is the same as yours, cinnamon. i just don't like... i'm all for people using the videos, in personal parties or, you know, community settings, or for non-profit. but if you're gonna be using it in a business setting, that i would ask for, you know, some sort of percentage. and we're trying to work that out actually. we've talked about that, you know. i mean, what is fair but, um, you know

if they're making money off of it, i feel like at least a little portion of that maybe, but it should come back to the artist, but i don't know if that's actually gonna happen. you know, i've had talks with some people about using my videos in their classes, but i've never seen a cent from it. so [chuckles] i don't know if they went on to use them or not, or what happened, but, you know. and i have seen things sold from my videos on etsy. but, that's- i don't know, that's

that to me is different. i mean, it- it's these bigger businesses that would be the problem for me. you know.(cinnamon) yeah. chuck, do you have a use policy, cause you do a lot of, you know, speed drawings. i don't know if chuck can hear. do we have another question? (john) oh, i was muted there. (chuck) what's the question? (cinnamon) oh, just, do you have a use policy on your channel? (chuck) no.(cinnamon) yeah. but it's not a creative common, so don't just take his video and reuse it somewhere.

(lindsay) you know what would be a good idea for you guys, i think, especially you and angela, would be to do a patreon page, and, like, support me on patreon and one of the- one of the levels could be you can use my paintings in your paint and sip. (cinnamon) mm-hmm.(lindsay) you know, have that be the twenty five dollar a month level, or something because, i mean, that way people can contribute back. because i think a lot of it is that people are afraid. like, they may- they might love to contact you and get permission to give you a percentage but they're afraid that if they tell you that they're teaching your painting that you're gonna slap them and sue them.

(cinnamon) yeah.(lindsay) you know what i mean? (cinnamon) yeah. no, no.(lindsay) you have like a level of patreon then you're basically teaching people how to teach a sip and paint (cinnamon) they're (?).(lindsay) that was a level then it would almost be like franchising and it would all be, you know paperwork and red tape and (cinnamon) yeah, so what we(john) can i touch on it? (cinnamon) what we decided to do was to do, um, we're gonna have a licensing page and we're gonna have, actually support materials and everything, because i think we can actually help, painting party places, do what they do even better and

we're gonna have a whole support page and they can license. we're not doing patreon, interestingly enough, because we have, and i don't know if you guys have this experience, we have people painting with us that are going through really intense life experiences and our concern is, is that, um, they would over give. like, past the point of being reasonable. so we're trying to make sure that however they support the channel, kind of like in a product methodology, like, you get a product, so it's sort of limited in scope

cause the emotional experience is so intense. and then it's just so easy, we are actually, john has some experience. we're just gonna do licensing thing and they can just easily license either month to month, or on a yearly level, and make that friendly, at least like get them and we're gonna make it so they can, um,(john) well, how about i just- i'll plug that real quick. (cinnamon) ok, whatever. (john) we're gonna have a website coming up real quick, that'll talk about the commercial licensing.

(cinnamon) yeah.(john) and then, they'll be able to go out there and we'll have access to it in about a couple of weeks. so just stayed tuned a while.(cinnamon) if we just get any better at wordpress, (john) yeah.(cinnamon) because i'm literally the worst at wordpress on earth. this face. who's bad at wordpress? (john) we are.(cinnamon) [mouthing] me. me. (john) we all are horrible. (cinnamon) [laughing] so bad at it! (lindsay) my site's on wordpress. i find it very easy. [laughs] and i'm not a tech.

but i bomb simple mode all the way, on everything i do. (cinnamon) ok, so lindsay wins on simple mode until the cows come home. lindsay high five simple mode! (lindsay) your's is too fancy! (cinnamon) are there any specific questions? for each of our people, john? (lindsay) [?] and your fancy websites! [all laughing] (angela) i pay for somebody to do my websites. (cinnamon) i'm gonna have to.(angela) i do artspan, that's it. (cinnamon) do we have any specific questions for the people, john?(angela) all i have to do is pop in the pictures.

(john) well, actually, so far there's been a lot of general questions coming up. they've been really commenting on they appreciated all of, everything you guys have been saying. uh, i had to scroll back up here, but there w- there- gosh. there was some- we have some games that we were gonna play, but we've gotten so close, we've only got a few minutes left today. that i'm gonna jump back(cinnamon) i'm just gonna have to play truth or doodle privately with everybody. [chuckles] (john) you might have to. (cinnamon) it'll be private- truth or doodle, if you wanna play at home is you ask truth or doodle. some people have to say whether their gonna doodle, or do truth at the beginning.

and you have a list of weird things that they could doodle, and a bunch of fun, silly questions that they can answer. um, if you're playing at home, but we're running right on time.(john) you are. (cinnamon) because we're such interesting people and we had so much to say. (john) yeah. we've only really got about three minutes left here today and we- scrolling back here i only have they go by so fast, but the last couple pages, it looks like you guys have really been addressing a lot of this. they just- a lot of people wanted to say thank you, to all of our wonderful guests for coming and hanging out with us today. boy, they really appreciate it. we've got like two hundred and fifty people here today, and

it's really nice of you guys to join us with our community. (cinnamon) yeah, go by, if you want some more artist tips, go by, um, the frugal crafter because she has an entire playlist of some really amazing art business tips, and i have, again, i've worked you know, decades and decades in the fine art industry, but i have heard things from lindsay, i was like, ooh, i should've been bonded. mmm. mmm. should've had me some insurance, and i did not. [lindsay laughs]

ooh, dance to the raindrops on that one. so there's really good tips that she has. if you look at her cv, i like to look at people's cv's of linkedin page, it's really a i was impressed by your cv. i was like, "wow, that girl's published a lot." so go by and check out her blog and her youtube channel. go by and check out chuck carson. he has a really amazing instagram account with lots of daily doodles and he does a lot of fun projects on his youtube page. he creates the look of the sherpa. if you're wondering like where that- the look of the little cartoon sherpa came from. that is all chuck carson.

um... he's working on a coloring book, got some stuff coming out soon. and of course miss angela anderson who has, i mean, you know her youtube videos. they're like, the how to paint youtube videos, and who knows what crazy material she's gonna be using next in an upcoming lesson. [laughing] cause she's always like, "hmm..." "what could we do?" do you guys have anything coming up? angela, do you have anything coming up you'd like to announce? (angela) hmmm.... well, i'm gonna be working on my downton abbey long version.

[cinnamon laughs](angela) so, that's what i'm gonna be doing. hopefully get it up by friday. we'll see. [laughs] (cinnamon) that's a lesson you learn as a youtuber. (angela) it's like a three hour video, and i painted it as a fine art video, and then community when i put out the short version asked for the long version and so now i'm gonna have to dub the whole thing. cause i didn't talk during the video, when i was filming it, so that'll be interesting. [laughs] so yeah, i'm excited about that. (cinnamon) that'll be fun. i'm looking forward to that. chuck, do you have anything coming up? (chuck) uh, i'm just working on some other videos that... nothing in particular that i can share yet, but

(cinnamon) you're always cooking something up? (chuck) soon.[john laughs] (cinnamon) and lindsay, do you have anything exciting coming up? (lindsay) uh, well, videos every single day on the youtube channel. we've got some quick tips, we've got some painting tutorials. we've got crafting, we've got scrapbooking, pic crafting, stamping, you name it. all kinds of stuff and almost thirteen hundred for you to look back at if you are looking for something a little bit different. if you're going to be in new england in june i'll be teaching at the heirloom paper arts festival

on, uh, june third, and if you follow me on my blog, join my mailing list and i will send out a um... email when the classes are open for registration. they filled up really quick last year. i had two packed classes. twenty people each class. it was so much fun and i don't want any of my regulars to miss out, so make sure you hop over to my website, the frugal crafter, sign up for my mailing list,

and you won't miss out on that announcement. cause i kind of send that to the "mailing list" more than just the blog, cause i wanna really make sure that i get the people that are interested in taking the class.(cinnamon) no, you have a gorgeous blog. it's a gorgeous blog. i'm like, it's a really active well thought out blog. so...(lindsay) simple mode, baby! [laughs] (cinnamon) i'm not in simple mode in anything, so my life is chaos. so there's good advice from lindsay. keep it simple. my dad used to say keep it simple.(lindsay) pick a template! [laughs] (cinnamon) keep it simple. um, you're also on the creators, aren't you still? (lindsay) oh yes, yes on the video creators channel, if you are a youtuber and you're trying

to go full-time, or make a little more money on your youtube channel, over at video creators, uh,, tuesdays there is a video entrepreneurs live show. all the past shows are archived. you can watch them. um, or you can catch us live tuesdays at 11:30 eastern time. and, um, yeah, we kinda go through the struggles we have as video creators. especially like youtubers that so the diy thing where we have a lot more subscribers than we do viewers on any given video. kinda how to overcome that, overcome, um, creativity block. overcome time management problems. all of that stuff, so if you've

ever been curious about behind the scenes on youtube, check that out. it's certainly eye opening, and very informative. (cinnamon) i know angela and i watch- oh, and be sure and check out- angela's got a group on facebook, thankful art, and we also have the super group, angelooney. she and i got goofy. [cinnamon and angela laugh] (cinnamon) and made a group. so you can- every once in awhile she and i do a project (angela) those are awesome. so fun.(cinnamon) based on what we're doing, and oh my gosh! thank you for coming today! thank you guys for coming today. thank you angela. thank you chuck. thank you lindsay.

and thank you everybody. we all would like to see you at the easels really soon. come hang out with all of us. (cinnamon) ba-bye(angela) bye.(lindsay) bye!

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